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Bureaucracy, I don't get it.

Journal Entry: Tue Dec 14, 2010, 12:20 PM



Looking Back by nivaun

I could hug and kiss all of you (the guys will just get a hug. :lol: ) Thanks so much for your comments and support. I had no idea this would create such a response but I was able to meet the criteria and my photo was accepted. I am really touched by all of you. Thanks again!


It's sad. My submission of looking back (above) was declined by Stand Out Shots not because it is a bad photo but because it does not have enough views or favorites. I only get maybe 8-12 people visiting my site on a given day and I cannot grasp what in the hell views or favorites would have to do with a photo being accepted. I was told to resubmit after it had gained enough. Sometimes I just don't understand bureaucracy.

  • Mood: Screwed
  • Listening to: Wind
  • Reading: Nothing
  • Watching: Trees swaying
  • Playing: nope
  • Eating: no
  • Drinking: Beer
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:icontrippy4u:
Trippy4U Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010
OMG...go tell them to piss up a rope. Dam how ignorant can they get.
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010  Professional Photographer
They see some logic in it and considering it is their group, I suppose they can run it how they want to. Everything has worked out in the end. :)
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:icontrippy4u:
Trippy4U Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010
Yes u r right. The fault lies with you for wanting to be a part of such an organization, no?
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010  Professional Photographer
Hahaha! I feel so guilty now. :)
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:icontrippy4u:
Trippy4U Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010
Nah, if we were all Einstein...life would be boring :lol: Hey, live and learn :shrug:

I'm sure I said this to you before that I don't care for any groups and belong to none except for the human race and that one I joined by default :lol:
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010  Professional Photographer
:wow: You were able to join the human race!? I tried a number of times but I just ain't fast enough. :lol:
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:icontrippy4u:
Trippy4U Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010
:lmao: x 100...love it :clap:
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010  Professional Photographer
:)
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tleach0608 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Are you kidding me? Their standards for allowing photos is if you have a mindless following of people who fave your stuff??? That's ridiculous and asinine. Reasons for rejection should be if it doesn't fit into the theme of the Group or they have a set standard of quality. But faves??? What the hell does that have to do with anything? `kkart has shown us artists that have had maybe 100 views in a year and even less faves and their work is stunningly amazing.

At least I have a Group that I know to avoid now.
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
That is what I couldn't figure out either. I am told it is their way of weeding out the snapshots. What I have noticed though is that it is the snapshots that get the most views. :)

They have been very kind and responsive and I have now met my 20 fave criteria so I re-sent the photo.
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tleach0608 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
LOL Yeah that's not going to weed out anything. You get a webcam shot of some girl flashing the camera and it'll have 500 faves. Sigh. I understand their reasons but their guidelines are misguided and, I must say, ignorant. You can determine if something is a snapshot or not by looking at it. I'd rather they have some integrity and take responsibility for refusing lower quality work based on subjective opinion, not some arbitrary number that relies on a popularity contest. =(
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
I think they are reevaluating them now so all the comments have helped. :)
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:icondanielleminer:
DanielleMiner Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Im sorry how you feel about this

I started the group and just set the standards to 20 faves or 100 views to be accepted because I did not have the heart to decline peoples photos based on how good the photo is or not because i am no expert, I think it is a great photo and sometimes i feel bad about declining imagines that are great but dont meet the criteria.

what feeback do you have to improve the group?
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
I like the group that is why I didn't leave it. I like what you are doing. But I do have 20 faves now so will send the photo again.

It just seemed odd that faves would determine whether a photo is posted or not. For people like me who do not get that many views to their page it is very limiting. I am lucky if I get 18 views in one day.
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DanielleMiner Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Yah i understand

I just did not want the group full of snap shots and poor quality photos and I dont think any of your work is poor quality

I try to help people out as much as I can

would you like to be featured in a collaborative feature in the new year, will would feature some of your works and do a interview about your photography?
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
I know what you mean. So many of the groups do turn into snapshots. I am not sure faves and views is a good criteria but from what I have seen so far your group has some amazing photographers and you have done a great job so far.

Wow, I would love that. Thank You! I would be honored.
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DanielleMiner Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
I have asked my two cofounders what they think and we will be revising the rules i think

I just need some feedback and to make it a bit more realistic

thanks I will let you know more about it soon
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nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
You're Awesome!!! :hug: Thanks!
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JulianasGrandma Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010
What has that got to do with anything, it's stupid. I bet you get a lot of views now, I know I had favored it, its a great shot.
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nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
I am not sure what it has to do it. I am just as confused as everyone else. :)

:tighthug: You just became my 20th favorite so now I can send it in again. Thanks!!!
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:iconjulianasgrandma:
JulianasGrandma Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2010
I'm glad you can now send in your photo again:)
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2010  Professional Photographer
Yes, I was happy also. That criteria took me by surprise. :)
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:iconlydeea:
LyDeea Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
I faved this ages ago :)
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
Yes, I noticed. :hug: Thank you sooooo much! I wish I had the time to thank everyone for what they favorite but I own a bicycle shop, a photo studio and club, volunteer at the schools, and backpack. So it is hard for me to voice my appreciation all the time. But I do notice.
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LyDeea Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Oh, no need to thank me! :D I'm just saying.
And the fact that you need to have faves/views to get accepted to a group, that's just... I don't have a word for it :@
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
I feel I need to thank you. It means a lot to me when you fave my photos. :hug:

We will fill in the word for you. :lol:
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:iconlydeea:
LyDeea Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Haha, great ;D
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
:rose:
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kannagara Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010
they gave you a reason? :omg: i never get reasons for declined submissions!!!
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
Hahaha. I was surprised also. They did tell me to resubmit after I have had the proper quota of either favorites (20) or views (100). So I know they like it. :)
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kannagara Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010
funny shit. it's club postings that generate the extra faves in the first place, as i see it. :P
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
Sure is. Yes, I thought that is why we joined the groups is to get noticed. :)
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:iconkannagara:
kannagara Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010
yet another decline today. this group :iconfine-art-photography: asked me to join them, yet everything i submit to them is refused. and of course, no reason given. i am pond scum. ;)
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010  Professional Photographer
We must be swimming in the same pond. :) I have left quite a few groups that did the same thing. Ask me to join and then decline everything. I don't understand that either.

What I found odd about this case was that they would accept my work but only after so many visits or faves. I had never heard that one before. :)
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:iconkannagara:
kannagara Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010
but still, you got a reason. i have never gotten a reason. doesn't feel very clubby to me. :(
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010  Professional Photographer
Maybe they should no longer call them clubs, but Ego's instead. :) I looked at that site and I doubt they would call anything I do fine art. If they didn't take your work there is no way in hell they would take mine. There is some good work in there though.
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Breanna93 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Rude, they don't deserve to see the epicness that is Farmer Tim's photos! You should ban them from your gallery! :) :hug: We need to find you a group of semi-intelligent people. v.v
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nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
I won't ban them, they liked my photo. Guess that is what I deserve for not being popular. :)
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Breanna93 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
*sigh* You don't even want to know my comments to that! *glare, walks away, turns around and glares again, continues walking away*
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
Okay, I won't ask then. :hug:
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Breanna93 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
>.> Make it impossible for me to be angry with you why don't you? lol :huggle:
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
That is what I do best. :)
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:iconbreanna93:
Breanna93 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
lol mhm it really is
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2010  Professional Photographer
:lol:
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Savaliste Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010
wtf!! that is so stupid! I hope you left that group?!
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:iconnivaun:
nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
That is what I thought. I will probably stick around, they liked the photo. I am just not a popular site that people visit and I don't understand why I have to be punished for that. They do have some amazing photos on that site.
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Savaliste Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010
yah good for them but they are only about popular artists! which is bullshit and I wouldn't stay cause that is wrong it is about ART not popularity! and that is what groups are for to show off your artwork and help you become popular because of your art so how is that supposed to work out if they deny those whom aren't popular enough? :furious:
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nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
I definitely agree with you. It should be about the art not popularity. I did a test earlier this year and noticed that if I wasted my entire day on DA and gave points I would become popular. When I was doing that I had nearly 130 visitors a day. Since I stopped and returned to having a life my views have dropped to no more than 12 a day.

I just don't have the energy nor the funds to become popular. :)
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Savaliste Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010
yah I know. I get a lot of views sometimes cause I give out points here and there but I only give them to those with good reason ya know or friends. well I hope this will help a little here [link]
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nivaun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional Photographer
You are unbelievably sweet!!! Thank You so much! :tighthug:
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